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4season

Well-known member
I wonder what is the more broader reason why forums are dying? Is it a generational thing? Where are all the newcomers going to talk about their interests?
Reddit? They claim 5.3 M members for r/photography. I wonder if some critical differences versus more traditional forum setups, is that the former allows content to be upvoted, which can give the topics greater visibility. And conversely, posts can also be downvoted, and effectively buried. There's also a time element involved, which de-enphasizes content as it ages, unless members continue to upvote it.

On the other hand, the typical forum is a hoarder's delight. There may be a feature which allows certain topics to be designated as "sticky", remaining near the top of the list of postings. But once so annointed, these sticky topics tend to remain so indefinitely, even though users may have ceased to get value from them after viewing a couple of times.
 

Paul Spinnler

Well-known member
Reddit? They claim 5.3 M members for r/photography. I wonder if some critical differences versus more traditional forum setups, is that the former allows content to be upvoted, which can give the topics greater visibility. And conversely, posts can also be downvoted, and effectively buried. There's also a time element involved, which de-enphasizes content as it ages, unless members continue to upvote it.

On the other hand, the typical forum is a hoarder's delight. There may be a feature which allows certain topics to be designated as "sticky", remaining near the top of the list of postings. But once so annointed, these sticky topics tend to remain so indefinitely, even though users may have ceased to get value from them after viewing a couple of times.
That’s interesting, thanks a lot. I feel that Reddit lends itself less for research and study; I also found it a lot less satisfying to browse through and be on top of with a tremendous amount of noise and unseriousness. Ie a bit random.

The prototypical Reddit topic is r/bitcoin if you know what I mean. A nervous stream of stuff around the daily bitcoin sentiment
 

buildbot

Well-known member
Reddit? They claim 5.3 M members for r/photography.
Oh man, I hope we never become like r/photography. I gave up posting or looking there pretty quickly. It’s more mainstream than dpreview, more shallow than a baking sheet.

Personally, I have very few suggestions for getdpi. I’ve come and gone due to personal things over the years, but this is by far the forum I am most active on because of the excellent community. How the forum is organized does not impact that much, at least from my perspective.
 

4season

Well-known member
My comments about r/photography were not about its content, which is super-generalized, but about how content is delivered. I speculate that a common problem with long-established fora is that stale content may receive equal weight as new posts, even if no one continues to get much value out of it.
 

Ai_Print

Active member
Because of several co-conspiring forces, I don't see membership here growing, especially since (as Olaf stated) no matter what creative pathways admins have put into place, the site remains largely technically oriented. So then it comes down to who pays for it? I come here because it is the only semi-active place for larger than 35mm based full format sensor imaging and there are much more active places for my other camera types, Nikon, Leica and of course, film. I look at the ads for medium format gear because they are of interest to me.

I don't really participate on forums to post or view work, I prefer more traditional and curated methods to experience viewing photography. But I feel the site admin's pain. I think photography as an online community sense is going to go through another dramatic change and that is due to the co-conspiring forces I alluded to above. One is simply AI. Even though photo enthusiasts claim they do it only for them selves, they seem to need that photo-fentanyl fix of getting that like or congratulatory nod from their peer group. As AI makes more and more people value photography as an area of human mastery less and less, this will seep into the notion of the efforts of those who are purely hobby centric in the medium….some will simply say why bother, why spend all that money? Other forces will be aging of these current groups and younger generations being pulled away from photography to other areas in which they can retain genuine authorship of their ability in a craft. Why strive to make images in an area in which increasing numbers of people don't believe what they see? If you don't believe what you see, hear or read, then you inherently value it less.

Sure, there will always be those who can make a stand and have a following, but that will be their talent and method of protecting it that will allow for that, especially ones who have established very real and face to face community relationships with those audiences. I think those who shoot film, darkroom print and keep a very limited public web presence will do well here but those who continue to use digital means will also be ok, if they are truly talented and are smart about protecting it.

And to me, that is what photography and anything in the arts for that matter have always been about. That we get to celebrate and look forward to sheer mastery that stands out in the arts. This should not be something that anyone can do easily, by the click of a button or with a clone tool in photoshop. But forums don’t thrive on this, now do they. They thrive on the technical, the latest firmware update, the latest gear. They thrive on the small groups of people who are polite and who will not say anything bad of a just OK picture.

I don’t know what the answer is here anymore than I know the true fate of photography as a whole. But I do know that writ large, changes in photography are here and more are coming. I hope online photo communities survive these changes but I will not be surprised if they do not.
 
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olafphoto

Administrator
Staff member
Because of several co-conspiring forces, I don't see membership here growing, especially since (as Olaf stated) no matter what creative pathways admins have put into place, the site remains largely technically oriented. So then it comes down to who pays for it? I come here because it is the only semi-active place for larger than 35mm based full format sensor imaging and there are much more active places for my other camera types, Nikon, Leica and of course, film. I look at the ads for medium format gear because they are of interest to me.

I don't really participate on forums to post or view work, I prefer more traditional and curated methods to experience viewing photography. But I feel the site admin's pain. I think photography as an online community sense is going to go through another dramatic change and that is due to the co-conspiring forces I alluded to above. One is simply AI. Even though photo enthusiasts claim they do it only for them selves, they seem to need that photo-fentanyl fix of getting that like or congratulatory nod from their peer group. As AI makes more and more people value photography as an area of human mastery less and less, this will seep into the notion of the efforts of those who are purely hobby centric in the medium….some will simply say why bother, why spend all that money? Other forces will be aging of these current groups and younger generations being pulled away from photography to other areas in which they can retain genuine authorship of their ability in a craft. Why strive to make images in an area in which increasing numbers of people don't believe what they see? If you don't believe what you see, hear or read, then you inherently value it less.

Sure, there will always be those who can make a stand and have a following, but that will be their talent and method of protecting it that will allow for that, especially ones who have established very real and face to face community relationships with those audiences. I think those who shoot film, darkroom print and keep a very limited public web presence will do well here but those who continue to use digital means will also be ok, if they are truly talented and are smart about protecting it.

And to me, that is what photography and anything in the arts for that matter have always been about. That we get to celebrate and look forward to sheer mastery that stands out in the arts. This should not be something that anyone can do easily, by the click of a button or with a clone tool in photoshop. But forums don’t thrive on this, now do they. They thrive on the technical, the latest firmware update, the latest gear. They thrive on the small groups of people who are polite and who will not say anything bad of a just OK picture.

I don’t know what the answer is here anymore than I know the true fate of photography as a whole. But I do know that writ large, changes in photography are here and more are coming. I hope online photo communities survive these changes but I will not be surprised if they do not.
some great points! Having said that, even if "traditional" photography (digital or analog but created 100% by humans) may become a niche, there will be always photographers who appreciate and practice it.
 

Ai_Print

Active member
some great points! Having said that, even if "traditional" photography (digital or analog but created 100% by humans) may become a niche, there will be always photographers who appreciate and practice it.
Absolutely, and I know people who are not photographers but collect it who want to continue to believe what they see. So it is up to those in the craft to make sure that can happen, regardless of process. Thankfully there are things coming online in-camera and pre-upload to aid in that.
 

bensonga

Well-known member
It has always been a strictly technical forum....
I disagree. This forum used to be extremely technical, but has become increasingly centred around the image.
I agree with Jorgen's earlier comment. While GetDPI had a strong focus on medium format (especially MF digital) and technical issues early on, it is absolutely NOT the case that it has ALWAYS been so. The topics, images etc shared on this forum have evolved over the years and benefited from the participation and sharing of information, images etc from members who often use cameras of multiple formats, both large, medium, full frame and smaller.

I will be very disappointed if GetDPI becomes a large/medium format ONLY forum. While I have many large and medium format (film and digital) cameras, I would visit GetDPI much less often if other formats/users were no longer included and welcome to share their images, experiences, technical expertise etc. You may find that traffic to the site declines significantly if you exclude all other formats from participation here.

I honestly don't know why you think you can grow GetDPI by "shrinking the pie" of users/members to only those who are using/interested in large/medium format cameras. Many of us have been active particpants for decades and have stayed active because GetDPI does welcome photographers using many different formats. I love being able to come here and find information, images etc shared by users of all the formats I own and enjoy using....and some that I'm thinking about for a future purchase.

Gary
 
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pegelli

Well-known member
I honestly don't know why you think you can grow GetDPI by "shrinking the pie" of users/members to only those who are using/interested in large/medium format cameras. Many of us have been active particpants for decades and have stayed active because GetDPI does welcome photographers using many different formats. I love being able to come here and find information, images etc shared by users of all the formats I own and enjoy using....and some that I'm thinking about for a future purchase.

Gary
Thanks Gary, I could not have said it better.

Specialise all you want to attract more members that are interested in >33x44 mm sensors/film to grow the site, I will fully support and appreciate that.
However I can't see any scenario where also having one or more sections on smaller formats would scare away any of these new members.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
Great question! The answer is very simple: We attract more members or in other words, we grow.
If that's the case, I don't know how constraining the appeal of the site to medium and large format use will grow the membership, given that medium and large format use is a niche and, at least in my perception, not a growing one. More and more photographers I talk to see the quality they can get from current and upcoming FF cameras and question whether the additional expense, weight, and different handling speed/flexibility of MF cameras is worth it.

The question becomes, to me, "How can GetDPI attract more users?" I don't know the answer to that.

I come to this site because I enjoy the people and the conversation about photographs, and photographic gear of all types, that goes on here. I don't know that this conversation will expand if the site becomes more or overly medium/large format centric. That's my question mark.

G
 

Knorp

Well-known member
What about some sort of Knowledge Base like Wikipedia ?

Procedure could go like this:
Content provided (mainly) by the members delivered to the staff for scrutiny and after approval placed in the intended category.

Just an idea …
 

Swissblad

Well-known member
As my avatar suggest, I initially joined this site as a MF (and LF) user. However, in the past decade my photographic focus has diversified, necessitating an exploration with other less cumbersome formats and brands, most recently involving the change from DSLRs to mirrorless. I'm certainly not the only forum member to have undertaken such a shift. Yet, it was never viewed with distain by other forum members, indeed, if anything such a change was met with encouragement and support. It is this spirit of camaraderie that has made GetDPI such a safe haven, to share one's photographic journey with likeminded peers.
Restricting the forum scope to a very small sector and thereby limiting personal growth would be largely counterproductive, and if anything curtail potential future growth.
 
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B L

Well-known member
Great question! The answer is very simple: We attract more members or in other words, we grow.
Olaf my friend, just pull the plug for couple of days now and then, and that is when we will realise the value of GetDpi, just like we were all almost mad two days ago needing intensive health care.
Best wishes for the team at GetDpi and all our beloved members.
 

olafphoto

Administrator
Staff member
Olaf my friend, just pull the plug for couple of days now and then, and that is when we will realise the value of GetDpi, just like we were all almost mad two days ago needing intensive health care.
Best wishes for the team at GetDpi and all our beloved members.
Thank you for your kind note. All the best!
 

JeffK

Well-known member
As a very active and well-known member, I do appreciate the range of topics available. GetDPI means something to me, I have a prepress and strong photography background. I've worked with large process cameras, Hell-Linotype and Crosfield drum scanners, Crosfield output units, AGFA Imagesetters, large format 4x5, medium format 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, FF 35mm, and various smaller digital and film cameras. As a teen I had a Kodak DISC Camera with its tiny film frame on a wheel.

Today I'm documenting what I see with Medium format digital 645 along with FF 35mm, APS-C, and iPhone 3xLenses (14 pro). It's great to see the variety here.

I would not leave if it was medium format only, but I think medium format photographers ALSO use smaller formats too. Having all the discussions in one place builds a community.
 
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